Ned had to know that Stannis would be a terrible king, and that it would be much better for Westeros to either try to use Joffery as a puppet in the way that Littlefinger proposes, or expose Joffery as a bastard but then support Renly who probably would have been a very good king. Ditto that for Stannis: because he follows the same moral code and even more rigidly.
In his mind, to do otherwise would be dishonorable, and thus immoral. This was definately my first WTH moment. Welcome to Game of Thrones?
From that moment on I knew I was in for quite the ride, and not get too attached to any character. But it happened again anyway and I got hooked on Jon!?? At least he will come back!!? LadyStark Quote Reply. Ross Quote Reply. My boyfriend was not a book reader in season 1 and I had to keep mum on so much.
It was really hard with the Arya stuff — Ned searching the crowd for her. I hope that when he saw her missing from the Baelor statue that he at least had a moment of peace before his death.
This episode is what convinced my BF he had to read all the books so I had to hold in a lot of spoilers for a few months while he read. I remember he came out to the living room after reading the Red Wedding, so upset.
Laura Quote Reply. I would disagree a bit with your Ned analysis. I believe he was really doomed the minute he abandoned his morals and agreed to lie about trying to take the throne for himself from Joffrey in order to save Sansa. I do agree that Ned would have been much smarter to either tell King Robert about the bastards before he died or seize Joffrey and hold him prisoner to bring the Lannisters under control.
But he was never going to do those things. Ah and so it goes — unexpected consequences. Wimsey : or expose Joffery as a bastard but then support Renly who probably would have been a very good king.
GRRM goes out of his way to show that Renly is all style, no substance. He would have been a poor king. Indeed, if you look at his battle dispositions prior to his murder he was doing his best to lose to a majorly inferior force.
And primogeniture is a vital part of the feudal system. It was because he believed he would be the best king. Big Mac Quote Reply. Yes, it was most definitely because he wanted to be king. How exactly was Renly planning to lose to an inferior force? Remember, in the books, people were chanting the names of Stannis, Renly and Robb for taking the throne.
Diplomatically, he got the support of most of Stormlands, Tyrells, and possibly would have got the Starks and Martells. Icewalker Quote Reply. Blanche Holstein Quote Reply. Rygar Quote Reply.
But his handling of his men shows a complete lack of military acumen, and a very cavalier attitude toward his soldiers. That was not possible: no matter what Ned does, he is abandoning one of his morals. Ned firmly believes that good men do everything that they can to defend their family: and by not recanting his claim about Joffery, he is endangering Sansa and possibly Arya.
No, GRRM goes out of his way to show that he would have been a good king. Being a semi-closeted gay, Renly could have gone two routes: over-compensating by being a real Seven-Star-thumper, or by basically favoring pragmatism over. Going with Loras over Randyl is no different from a sports team going with a potentially very good rookie over a washed up veteran who never was great in the first place. No, Renly looks like the sort of person who should be king, but he has no substance.
He wants power for its own sake, and he shows a cavalier lack of interest in actual ruling, and the realm, in particular, which is the stuff of a good king, as GRRM himself has said. Renly thinks of nothing but his own ambition, which is the biggest toxin plaguing Westeros in the War of Five Kings. Tarly is arguably the best general in Westeros at that point.
Where do you get the idea that his supply or supply chain is in any way affected? All Stannis had was a really good naval fleet. Does that make Robert a poor battle commander? Anyhow, Mathis Rowan was placed to command the center of the army. Ned was at that point very experienced, and besides which, a great lord who has to lead his men.
That is very different from Loras, who has no experience and no equivalent position. Renly has some obvious skill as a politician. Tywin was probably the best leader though.
He embodies many of the worst aspects of feudalism and the selfishness that drives the War of Five Kings. He was leading the entire rebel army when there were far more experienced leaders.
Garlan Tyrell who has had no battle experience led the Tyrell-Lannister vanguard at the Battle of Blackwater. By your logic, Tywin Lannister was a poor battle commander. If there had been a great council to choose a King as Cat suggested , most of the lords would have chosen Renly over Stannis.
The feudal system would have continued like it always had in Westeros. Again, please tell me in what fronts did Renly was bad at being a King. Other than finding it hard to impregnate Margaery. Also, Tywin was commanding his own army on the north bank of the river; the Tyrells were in charge of their own dispositions. Much like how the last military decision Renly is shown making is to ignore his most experienced commanders and order his men to charge into the blinding sun. Winter is Coming 4 years Game of Thrones cast: Season 7 has a much faster pace than we're used to.
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